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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:03:14 -
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Your list is utterly incomplete. Using market tracker websites as well dotlan are far more widespread and far more important features than whatever you listed in your list. Without the IGB, I am now forced to use an out of game browser for all of that, which means constant cumbersome alt-tabbing around or use of window mode which does require tons more performance from my PC.
And if you do not endorse overlays, you better change that. You remove a vital ingame tool and have no plans or ideas to replace it properly.
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:24:23 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Dex Cordell wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
sheesh forgot about that one, goodbye mapper, dotlan...that's gonna generate an uproar. @CCP: where did you get the usage metrics? there's loads of people who absolutely rely on a variety of ingame browser WH mappers to light their way in a world without maps and autopilot routes. I'll hate being blind past the next wormhole. We inserted some metrics a while ago every time one of the JavaScript callbacks was used but also just for every page load, how long the browser is open, etc. WH mappers don't need the IGB. They can pull your location from CREST.
Of course they do. I want to see the map ingame, while I check other things and actually keep being able to check other things and do not have to alt-tab out of the game to check an external app. Like what kind of reasoning are you even using... 
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:32:29 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Of course they do. I want to see the map ingame, while I check other things and actually keep being able to check other things and do not have to alt-tab out of the game to check an external app. Like what kind of reasoning are you even using...
Is there a reason you're unwilling to use an Overlay?[/quote]
The overlays that I just stated are inadequate? Is there a reason why CCP cannot manage to maintain an IGB while other game developers can?
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:47:03 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Of course they do. I want to see the map ingame, while I check other things and actually keep being able to check other things and do not have to alt-tab out of the game to check an external app. Like what kind of reasoning are you even using... Is there a reason you're unwilling to use an Overlay? The overlays that I just stated are inadequate? Is there a reason why CCP cannot manage to maintain an IGB while other game developers can? An overlay is inadequate but the IGB was not? How in the world does that make sense? Pretty much every overlay out there with a browser is years ahead of the IGB.
Not far enough ahead apparently to have bookmarks, for instance.
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:49:18 -
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Can someone tell me how to add EVE properly to Steam so that I can test that overlay? Using "Add a Non-Steam Game" with the exe file from "...\EVE\tq\eve.exe" apparently does not do the trick. I cannot load the overlay with the set up hotkey.
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:53:09 -
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Steam's browser doesn't take a toll on performance, because you can't play the game and run the browser at the same time. You can enable the browser by pressing the Web button in the Shift-Tab menu. The entire screen darkens a bit and lets you interact with all of Steam's functions and the browser at the same time. You can use the browser in games that aren't on the service (like World of Warcraft) by using the add-game function in Steam.
Is that blocking of using the game while you browse still a thing with Steam?
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:10:31 -
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So...
The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game. Which is great.
The Overwolf browser does not have a bookmarks functionality. Which is great.
XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works.
Any other suggestions?
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:36:33 -
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Take #2:
Fiddled a bit around:
The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game when you access it. Which is absolutely unacceptable.
XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works.
Evolve apparently does not really work with EVE. It recognized EVE in the library, tells me I can use the overlay, but nothing happens when I press the overlay key combo even after multiple client/launcher restarts. Overlay is not listed in the EVE Online entry in the gamesdb.xml file and even after manually adding the entry to the file, pressing the overlay hotkey does not show it.
Overwolf so far seems the only overlay that is barely usable, although it has no bookmarks which is quite important to me because I regularly visit certain sites and do not really want to type each url every single time I need to use that page.
And overall, I need to do more clicks and more keyboard strokes to access the overlays in the first place in all instances.
Any other suggestions? Or does someone care to try to explain how to get evolve or overwolf working properly (properly == retaining the functionality of the IGB)?
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.20 20:36:27 -
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Brain Gehirn wrote:My suggestion:
Get over it and use your normal browser.
IGB was a thing to help not a thing for you to stop living if it goes away.
I suggest you take your nick name a bit more serious and use the second part of it more. Using an OOGB is not exactly a great option because it requires me to either use window mode, which is a lot more performance hungry than full screen, or requires me to alt-tab out of the game constantly to check thing, which means I cannot check things ingame and run the risk of not getting info necessary to survive in Null (like neutrals entering my system). Furthermore, I use market sites for EVE every day and sometimes hundreds of times to check prices and determine where to buy things. Doing this with alt-tabbing is excruciating and with window mode not really convenient either because my OOGB is not placed like the IGB and moving these windows around just to compensate for laziness sounds like a great option.
Using the IGB is in fact a thing that keeps me living in EVE, as ironic as it may sound. 
I also do not see at all how the IGB is a burden for any developer. As a developer, you do not need to develop your app for the IGB, you can already develop standalone apps with CREST that do not rely on the IGB. If you develop for the IGB regardless, it's entirely your fault. Now go back to Saranen and do something useful.
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.20 21:01:01 -
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Airi Cho wrote:maybe it was bad that all that information was available ingame in first place.
because flying around hundreds of jumps or having to log in dozens of alts to check prices in various regions in order to ensure competitiveness in null sec markets and not having to overcharge people too much sounds like a great idea.
Seriously, sometimes I wonder whether some people unplug their brains when they enter certain forum sections or certain conversations.
Furthermore, my question from above still stand: Steam Overlay is garbage, Evolve does not work, Overwolf is inadequate (I just found out that the Overwolf browser does not keep .net addresses like evemaps.dotlan.net stored in the urlbar auto completion feature). Any other suggestions besides Window Mode + Firefox to compensate for CCP's incapability to maintain the IGB or how to get a properly working overlay browser that has bookmarks for starters?
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.21 05:41:38 -
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Brain Gehirn wrote:You can resize windows and put then in front of your game.
I have been doing this for like.. a couple of years? and never ever had any issues. Unless you are REALLY lazy you can survive without the IGB. SURE, it can help a lot.. but nothing that you can't do.
Also, unless you have a REALLY bad computer, windowed mode is the same as the fullscreen mode (I run windowed since 2006 tbh).
"you do not need to develop your app for the IGB"
Well.. you are kinda wrong. Every EVE website needs to support the old IGB in some way, even if you don't rely on any feature that it has. Why? Css/JS issues all around if you don't use old things too.
jQuery for example you need the 1.11 version to be ok.... but the actual jQuery version is 3.0. So every website that wants to be able to get some views and work ingame needs to support old things, avoid new libs and so on...
Now go back to ratting. <3
So, now I need to constantly juggle around my out of game windows in order to accommodate for this shortcoming? It's not like that it's completely idiotic having to move around out of game windows and programs for something that has to be ingame in order to continue to be able to see chats, overview, scans, hangars and other things, and then move the out of game windows back in the previous layout positions when you are done with EVE ... and move them back into position when you again need something in EVE. That's utter garbage.
My computer can handle 2 clients in window mode just barely in calm situations with just barely acceptable 24 FPS and a really high CPU load and that computer is not from 10 years ago, but it's also not a high end gaming machine because some people work and live on a budget. Fullscreen mode is by a considerably margin less performance hungry than window mode.
That you develop for the IGB is the problem. As I said, you can develop applications (application != website tool) that does not require the IGB or website tools that run without the IGB and use CREST. That's what you now have to do anyways, so I do not understand your given reasons why the IGB is bad at all.
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.21 07:33:13 -
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nezroy wrote:If you are running EVE in Fixed Window mode, which is equivalent to every other game's Fullscreen Windowed mode (and doesn't everyone do this already anyway for a million other reasons?), then you can use any kind of always-on-top flagger to just set a chrome/safari/whatever window to be always on top of the EVE client. For example, see the one-line autohotkey script mentioned here
It is not because Fixed Window Mode requires even more power than just Window mode, completely impeding dualboxing for a great many people. Not to mention that I do not need the out of game browser always on top, I need it on places ingame where I can also see other things, without having to completely mess my out of game UI layout just because.
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.21 13:12:24 -
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Red Yxa wrote:Evolve overlay browser doesnt work with EVE since 2014.
Does that overlay work at all? I smashed the hotkey to open it yesterday and nothing happened.
Furthermore, I just switched over to Windows 10 and now the alt-tabbing between full screen clients as well as to the desktop and from the desktop to the client is awfully slow, which makes alt-tabbing to use OOGB really unfeasible.
And window mode requires between 10-20% more CPU load than full screen, which is a lot for my machine and most machines people use (according to CCP metrics). Fantastic.
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Rivr Luzade
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Posted - 2016.06.21 17:16:31 -
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The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game when you access it. Which is absolutely unacceptable.
XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works.
Evolve does not really work with EVE. It recognized EVE in the library, tells me I can use the overlay, but nothing happens when I press the overlay key combo even after multiple client/launcher restarts. Overlay is not listed in the EVE Online entry in the gamesdb.xml file and even after manually adding the entry to the file, pressing the overlay hotkey does not show it.
Overwolf so far seems the only overlay that is barely usable, although it has no bookmarks which is quite important to me because I regularly visit certain sites and do not really want to type each url every single time I need to use that page. However, the browser apparently does not keep .net addresses like evemaps.dotlan.net stored in the auto complete feature of the url bar, so another thing that makes this overlay less usable than the IGB
And overall, I need to do more clicks and more keyboard strokes to access the overlays in the first place in all instances.
Any other suggestions? Or does someone care to try to explain how to get evolve or overwolf working properly (properly == retaining the functionality of the IGB)?[/quote]
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